[address-policy-wg] new policy idea for PA allocations

Hi Richard,

In all honesty I don't know what you mean with 'the complete picture'
because the complete picture can only be drawn up in hindsight. Making
good decisions after the fact is easy but beside the point. 

I'm voicing an idea about how to proceed when we can't allocate large IP
ranges anymore the way we do today. A practical idea for us to provide
guidance rather than have the NCC figure that one out for themselves.
What that has to do with criminal types, unscrupulous providers and
bright-faced 'backbone providers' is beyond me.

A semblance of order is having a functional registry for ALL IPv4
address space - not just the stuff that has been originally allocated by
the RIRs or predecessors. And this is something these 'backbone
providers' vehemently oppose. Yes, this is another 2007-08 reference.

Best,

Remco

-----Original Message-----
From: address-policy-wg-admin at ripe.net
[mailto:address-policy-wg-admin at ripe.net] On Behalf Of Richard Cox
Sent: donderdag 7 augustus 2008 16:47
To: Gert Doering
Cc: address-policy-wg at ripe.net
Subject: Re: [address-policy-wg] new policy idea for PA allocations

On Thu, 7 Aug 2008 08:34 UTC Gert Doering <gert at space.net> wrote:

> I'm not sure whether this is something the APWG can/should decide
> - it's borderland between "policy" and "procedure".  We do policy,
> the NCC does procedure... "Feedback, please!" :)

My feedback is that we're still missing the complete picture.

If we make it "difficult" for users to be allocated large IP ranges
then at least some of those users will simply announce ranges which
they believe are not being used, without the luxury of allocation.

Right now that's already being done by or for some criminal-types, and
I'd guess this behaviour will soon spread to less-scrupulous entities,
leaving the reputable organisations out in the cold.

We need some agreements in place - at least with backbone providers
- if we are to retain any semblance of order in the IPv4 numberspace.

-- 
	Richard
	(who is now back after a rather longer period of convalescence
	than I would have wished to have been required!)



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