[address-policy-wg] 2007-01 Last Call for Comments (Direct Internet Resource Assignments to End Users from the RIPE NCC)

Frederic wrote:
>>> Internet still works and works with gentlement agreement, and anyway you
>>> can hijack youtube's PA with the LIR status....
>> I would say: go for it.
>>
>> It doesn't take long for you to disappear from the Internet then. A lot 
>> of people don't like other people messing with their networks.
>>
> 
> yes of course, so contract change nothing for a correct relationship.
> gentleman agreement works fine.

With a contract somebody can sue you, with a "gentlemans agreement" one 
can't.

What is your opposition to contracts at all? You will have to set up 
several contracts anyway already:
  - Sponsors
  - Connectivity provider (L2)
  - Connectivity provider (L3)
  - Datacenter, or separate: Power, Cooling etc
  - Security

and a lot more. You do set up those, but you don't want them for a bit 
of address space. Odd.

What do you have to worry about, that a contract doesn't suit you?


> i talk about domain for procedure to keep in touch with the holder.
> 
> and after about why some domain are free (no contract and no fees), the
> must important is free to USE (because no contract).

As mentioned, when you get free stuff, it is not you who decided on how 
to use it.


> of course IP are not domain.
> 
> i explain that is interesting to have the possiblity to have
> relationship with ripe when your are an internet ressource holder
> without to be be a LIR.

And to do that you will need to sign a contract with RIPE.
You will be liable and responsible for the address block that you might 
receive. This all under the conditions set forth by the community.

> but i would have the choice and let the choice to other. The contract of
> ripe will be interesting because you will have choice to say yes or no.

You have a simple two way choice:
  - you sign a contract and get your PI
  - you don't sign a contract and you don't.


> if you need PI and after you grow, you can become LIR and change you PI
> with PA and like this have a contract with RIPE.

PI can't be converted to PA. PI is for end-sites. PA is for ISP's who 
provide aggregated connectivity to end-sites.


What where your requirements again for all of this?

Greets,
  Jeroen


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