[address-policy-wg] Re: [ppml] Revising Centrally Assigned ULA draft

Hi Marla,

In fact, when I started to work on this, it was because I realized about the
possibility to use ULA-C as the space for the microallocations and talking
with different folks they said that it will be possible with ULA-C, but not
ULA.

I also talked with people from the AC and they considered the point (I was
told) to use ULA-C for the microallocations when ULA-C is available.

So my view is that probably the microallocations policy should not expire,
but instead, be modified to make usage of the ULA-C space instead of global
unicast.

Regards,
Jordi




> De: "Azinger, Marla" <marla.azinger at frontiercorp.com>
> Responder a: <marla.azinger at frontiercorp.com>
> Fecha: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 13:31:29 -0400
> Para: Jeroen Massar <jeroen at unfix.org>, <jordi.palet at consulintel.es>
> CC: ARIN People Posting Mailing List <ppml at arin.net>, <ipv6 at ietf.org>,
> <address-policy-wg at ripe.net>
> Conversación: [ppml] Revising Centrally Assigned ULA draft
> Asunto: RE: [ppml] Revising Centrally Assigned ULA draft
> 
> I think a point here that needs to be looked at is this:
> 
> If ULA-C is addressed by IETF and then in turn we end up with RIR's
> responsible for handing out ULA-C blocks, then those existing policy's such as
> ARIN's NRPM 6.10.2 Microallocations for Internal Infastructure should be
> expired and no longer an active policy.
> 
> And there are different flavors to the debate of why ULA-C would be better
> than such policy as ARIN's NRPM 6.10.2 Microallocations for Internal
> Infastructure.  Ie Standardization, conservation ect...
> 
> Cheers!
> Marla Azinger
> Frontier Communications
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ppml-bounces at arin.net [mailto:ppml-bounces at arin.net]On Behalf Of
> Jeroen Massar
> Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 3:00 AM
> To: jordi.palet at consulintel.es
> Cc: ARIN People Posting Mailing List; ipv6 at ietf.org;
> address-policy-wg at ripe.net
> Subject: Re: [ppml] Revising Centrally Assigned ULA draft
> 
> 
> [cc'ing RIPE address policy + ARIN PPML where the discussion on this
> happened, I have not seen any 'operators' who have said the below, if
> there are they are there and can thus raise their voices because they
> will see this message; removed the silly spam scoring subject...]
> 
> JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote:
>> Operators have said that they will not be able to use ULA, but they could
>> use ULA-C, for example for thinks like microallocations for internal
>> infrastructure's.
> 
> I really wonder where you got that idea, as I know of no such operator
> who would ever say that. If there are any, let them bring up their
> argumentation, please don't come up with "somebody said that" it does
> not work that way.
> 
> Real network operators, especially involved in the RIPE or other RIR's,
> have more than enough address space from their PA allocations that they
> can easily receive and they very well know how to use a /48 from that
> for internal infrastructure as everybody does this. The IPv6 PA policies
> even describe that a /48 can be used per POP of the owner of the PA block.
> 
> Also in the ARIN region any organization can get a /48 PI block for
> about $100/year, as such these organizations won't be needing this
> address space either as they can easily take a /64 out of that for those
> needs. Firewalling is the key here.
> 
> 
>> I think the policy proposal that I sent to several regions includes text and
>> links to other documents that can clarify this perspective.
>> 
>> For example in RIPE NCC:
>> http://www.ripe.net/ripe/policies/proposals/2007-05.html
> 
> That is your proposal indeed. No "Operator" has stood behind this and
> various people from various organizations have clearly asked you and the
> RIPE NCC to *freeze* this proposal till at least the IETF has worked out.
> 
> Anybody needing a "globally unique" block can get either PA or PI space.
> ULA-C as such is useless.
> 
> Greets,
>  Jeroen
> 




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