[address-policy-wg] IPv6 PI policy implemented

On Thursday 19 July 2007 08:40, Randy Bush wrote:
> > As an example, NATO can also just as easily apply for space from ARIN
>
> do you think nato wants a /48?
> they want a /32 and will then chop it up and pollute the routing table.

Yes I guess they would and I doubt that NATO would go that way (note I'm not 
speaking for NATO today but on personal title here). The LIR way is probably 
the way to go. But on the other hand, how many sub-networks does NATO have? 
(A question that I won't answer but I guess one can assume that no potential 
PI customer has more than 65536 subnets (etc) today.)


On Thursday 19 July 2007 09:04, Sascha Lenz wrote:
> yes, "we" should do that, please send some troops to repacify the enemy
> dorkheads, thank you

That approach is just what I question. Not to be cinical but the point I'm 
making is: If the RIPE region is against PI but PI is available from other 
sources without too much hassle. Do we expect that those that want it will 
not go for PI just because RIPE NCC does not offer it? Personally, if I'm 
internationally oriented, I'd go to ARIN or AfriNIC (depending where I have 
offices) and just get what I want. This makes that the RIPE community decides 
on PI less relevant. My point is, aren't we running the risk of being 
bypassed left and right just because we don't like it? If we do aren't we 
running the risk that being bypassed means that we can't influence it because 
other parts of the world already have decided for us.

I'm not trying to defend PI because I like it (I think it is unavoidable but 
that's not why I write this). I'm trying to say that the world seems to be 
moving on while we are discussing. IPv6 is a global commodity that can be 
procured anywhere for this scale of user. So if we don't provide it people 
buy it from our neighbor and we still have the "enemy" on the net without the 
posibility to have a say in it.

Best regards, Marc

PS can we keep the discussion a bit professional and leave words like the 
"enemy dorkheads" out of this?
-- 
Marc van Selm
NATO C3 Agency
CIS Division
E-mail: marc.van.selm at nc3a.nato.int (PGP capable)