[ppml] [address-policy-wg] Re: Just say *NO* to PI space -- or how to make it less destructive

Hello;

On Apr 20, 2006, at 11:28 AM, Pekka Savola wrote:

> On Thu, 20 Apr 2006, Joao Damas wrote:
>>>> As has been discussed at ARIN, this is a good way to get the  
>>>> government to
>>>> declare the RIR a monopoly engaging in anticompetitive  
>>>> behavior.  I for
>>>> one don't want that.
>>
>> Pekka, this doesn't sound like the right way to do policy, and yes,
>> things that smell like "big guys get it, small guys don't" will be
>> looked at suspiciously and rightly so. Criteria ought to be of a
>> technical nature.
>
> I'm assuming this is already in reference to, "PI should cost money"
> instead of "PI shouldn't be available, period"...
>
> Larger end-sites already have 10-20k+ annual budget (most have much,
> much larger than that): caused by CAPEX by getting at least two
> routers, OPEX by paying to multiple ISPs for fibers, transit, etc. and
> salaries of network engineering staff.
>

Yes, but I know many of people (including myself and basically all of  
my clients) who
would regard a $ 5K tax as pretty onerous.

You also run the risk of giving people the feeling that the system is  
weighted towards
the large stakeholders. Now, I do not feel that way, but I hear from  
plenty of people who do,
and it's hard to see how they wouldn't take it this way.

Regards
Marshall

> AFAICS, whether or not a PI space would cost 0, 1000 or 5000 USD a
> year is NOT a barrier for entry.  It's just *one* metric (you may be
> able to think of technical metrics that could imply the same, I can't)
> to say, "if you REALLY don't need this, it'd be nice if you seriously
> consider PA address space".
>
>> Don't want PI: propose a feasible alternative that provides the same
>> functionality under the current routing system, while looking for  
>> a better
>> system
>
> Use PA addresses and Unique Local Addresses if you really think you
> need them.  Push for shim6.  Put some work on solving the remaining
> problems if there really are any that aren't caused by the desire to
> graze the commons for free.
>
> Maybe I should have snipped this quote, as this seems like a rathole
> which isn't worth exploring (again) here...
>
> -- 
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> Netcore Oy                    kingdom bleeds."
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