[address-policy-wg] Policy proposal: #gamma IPv6 Initial Allocation Criteria

On Wed, Apr 06, 2005 at 01:40:24AM +0300, Pekka Savola wrote:
> On Tue, 5 Apr 2005, Daniel Roesen wrote:
> >I guess you would agree with me that it's currently no problem at all
> >to obtain an ASN and IPv4 PI if you want to multihome. Right?
> 
> Umm.  The proposed v6 policy seems weaker than that?

No, it's still too strict. It excludes "end sites" (for whatever values
of that... looking at the some recent RIPE region allocations, even
outspoken consulting firms with no ISP operation visible can get /32s
under current policy).

In IPv4, you as an end site can get an ASN and PI space without being a
LIR. And that makes total sense, as an end site is not a Local Internet
REGISTRY. There is no steady ongoing human work to be done (hostmaster
services), there is just a one-time registration of a prefix and ASN
which is being paid by the sponsoring LIR via the scoring algo (ASNs
even paid yearly IIRC). I see no good reason to handle that different
in IPv6 world.

In IPv4, it's enough to have a valid TECHNICAL reason to need an ASN
(multihoming), and you get one. Same goes for a PI. You need addresses,
you get addresses. All you need is a sponsoring LIR (which you usually
pay for that service, directly or indirectly). And now in IPv6 with
an address space of 128 bits compared to 32 bits you suddenly say that
"needing address space" is not a good enough reason anymore?

> AFAIR, you'll have to justify half of the v4 address space.. and you
> don't even need to do that to get a v6 block ?

Even for IPv4 allocations to LIRs you don't need to justify anything
anymore (aside needing any IPv4 space *g*).

https://www.ripe.net/ripe/docs/ripe-324.html#first_alloc

/21 without questions asked.

The key difference between the proposed changed IPv6 alloc policy and
the IPv4 alloc policy is that the latter doesn't exclude end sites
(formerly called "enterprise LIRs").

What we have in IPv4 is two types of end sites: those who get PI space
and those who like to sponsor RIPE with more money and become LIR,
receive their initial alloc, do their first and single assignment and
be done with it.


Regards,
Daniel

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