[address-policy-wg] Re: RIPE Access Policy Change Request to allow allocations to critical infrastructure

Michael and all,

 By the definitions you are attempting to quote, it would seem
to me that many ISp's would fit as well as Google and other
public/private services on the net provide or offer.

> >I believe that your argumentation holds; "critical infrastructure" is
> >something very personal, and "public"...what's public? Isn't google
> >a public service, too? Or Yahoo? Or ebay? Or ...
>
> People seem to be confused about the meaning of "critical infrastructure"
> so I decided to see what Google has to say. The first thing it comes up
> with is an American government organization called the Department for
> Homeland Security. On their question and answer page they say this:
> http://www.ciao.gov/publicaffairs/qsandas.htm
>
> 1.) What is a critical infrastructure?
>
> The USA Patriot Act defines critical infrastructures as those
> "systems and assets, whether physical or virtual, so vital to the
> United States that the incapacity or destruction of such systems
> and assets would have a debilitating impact on security, national
> economic security, national public health or safety, or any
> combination of those matters."
>
> That's not something very personal. It is something that is
> important to a large number of people.
>
> Here's another one: http://www.atis.org/tg2k/_critical_infrastructure.html
>
> critical infrastructure: 1. Elements of a system that are so vital
> that disabling any of them would incapacitate the entire system.
>
> Disabling .de would make the Internet unusable for millions of
> people in Germany and would affect millions of German-speaking
> people around the world.
>
> When some part of the infrastructure of the Internet is considered
> to be critical, the people responsible for it will build it so that
> it can never fail. They do this by applying fault tolerance techniques.
> Anycasting DNS is a fault tolerance technique. DENIC is asking for
> a policy that understands the need for fault tolerance when an
> organization is managing part of the Internet's critical infrastructure.
>
> If this policy focuses on the fault tolerance technique then it
> is doing the wrong things. Policies are not about technology.
> RIPE policies are political agreements that balance the needs
> of everyone in the RIPE community. This policy needs to focus
> on defining which kinds of "critical infrastructure" are important
> enough for the whole community to justify special allocations.
>
> >  Es gibt Luegen, verdammte Luegen und RIPE-141(-219)-Netzantraege.
>
> Translated: There are lies, damned lies and RIPE-141 request forms.
>
> --Michael Dillon

Regards,

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