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[address-policy-wg] English Language (was: Summary of the PI Task Force's recent discussions)
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Michael.Dillon at radianz.com
Michael.Dillon at radianz.com
Mon Aug 11 14:18:41 CEST 2003
>People are requesting *multiple* PI blocks because they can't get a PA >allocation, and that seems to be just wrong to me. Something strange is happening to the English language here. Whenever I read PI and PA, I have a mental concept of independent blocks that I can announce, and borrowed blocks that I get from my provider's aggregate. In this set of mental concepts, a provider gets a PI block from an RIR and then allocates PA blocks to their customers. But after stumbling through this thread, I checked the RIPE website and discovered that the IPv4 policies state: LIRs are allocated Provider Aggregatable address space that they assign to their End Users and announced as one prefix. The problem is that the word "aggretable" means something that is capable of being aggregated. The block that a customer receives from the LIR is a part of a larger aggregate and is therefore "aggregatable". But the block that the LIR receives from the RIR is not necessarily aggregatable because there is no guarantee that the RIR will reserve adjacent blocks for the LIR. I know that the practice is to reserve the adjacent blocks for some period of time, but there are a lot of LIRs which have multiple non-aggregatable blocks from the RIRs. This is important because if we are not clear and consistent in our use of the language, then we create confusion and misunderstandings. For instance, in the ARIN world, PA stands for Provider Assigned in order to make it clear that the RIR gives providers PI space and the providers cut it up into PA blocks for their customers. It's like lending and borrowing. If I lend you a bicycle then you are borrowing it from me. Then you can lend the borrowed bicycle to your friend so that you are both a borrower and a lender of the bicycle. It seems to me that the distinction needs to be made between network-independent address blocks and network-dependent or network-attached ones. NI Network-Independent address blocks are allocated to an organization by the RIR and can be announced in whole or in part by any network with which the organization has a relationship. NA Network-Attached address blocks are assigned to an organization by an LIR and can only be used with the network(s) operated by that LIR. Then we could drop the acronyms and start talking about independent address blocks and attached network blocks. Personally, I don't believe that all 5 RIRs should have the same policies but I do believe that all 5 RIRs should use the same terminology and language to talk about addressing as long as the talking is done in English. --Michael Dillon
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